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Autor:  el gato cuantico [ Sab 13 Mar 2010, 17:24 ]
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Intentaré ser más directo:
1) No intento comparar el cambio climático antropogénico con un dragón en el garaje. Es mucho más básico que eso, Carl Sagan lo puso como ejemplo extremo, de la misma manera que la tetera de Russell, de que la ciencia se basa en demostraciones y no en refutaciones. Cuando me pides que ponga yo los enlaces, estás basando la veracidad de tu hipótesis en mi capacidad de refutación, y no en la tuya de demostración. Por cierto, esa figura se llama Metáfora.

2) A todo lo que has dicho sobre que el calentamiento global no sólo se basa en modelos... bla bla bla bla...(el "bla" sin ánimo de ofender) los métodos alternativos para demostrar la validez de un modelo de predicción es, o esperar a que pase (poco práctico porque quienes lo modelaron llevarán décadas criando malvas para entonces) o bien disponer de una bola de cristal. Recuerdo que estoy hablando únicamente de predicciones.

3) Si el modelo climático, y estoy hablando de ecuaciones, se conociera perfectamente bien, sería posible hacer pronósticos climáticos a años. Imagínate lo que pagarían las aseguradoras por conocer con cierta certeza si 2015 va a ser especialmente huracanado, si van a haber heladas o pedrisco... Y si a un modelo imperfecto se le meten parámetros imperfectos... pues salen predicciones imperfectas... Ya que estamos hablando de modelos, ¿por qué no sacamos a la palestra una de ellas?
$m[1]

4) Creo que buena parte de los presentes ya pasamos por los textos e hipótesis que pones, pero lo que nos gusta es conocer la verdad y no tener razón, así que en vez de vivir en un "mundo de fantasía construido sobre proposiciones que nos gusten", como que "Gaia está enferma de muerte y el hombre es un cáncer para nuestra querida madre", preferimos ser ascetas y escépticos, y no creer en nada que no podamos demostrar. Otra vez más es una metáfora, no es una discusión sobre si lo verde es malo y el petróleo es bueno. Y si mañana se consigue demostrar de forma efectiva que todos los seres vivos estamos interconectados al planeta por medio de unos puertos USB que nos salen de la nuca... pues se asume.

Por cierto atacar personalmente, como haces consciente o inconscientemente, a parte de ser de escasa educación, está completamente excluido de las normas del diálogo científico y por supuesto del presente foro.

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